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Where do you characters stand on bass limiters ?

Discussion in 'Bass' started by audiorep2, Nov 23, 2019.

  1. audiorep2

    audiorep2 Gold Member

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    I have been fooling around with a couple of compressore ( Diamond , Boss Eden Touring ) but would like to see what a limiter would offer me. Not looking for sustain, but rather , percussive notes .
     
  2. KapnKrunch

    KapnKrunch Gold Member

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    Interesting topic. I can't help.

    Compression and EQ are poorly understood and often mistaken for part of a creative process rather than a corrective procedure. Their proper application is tricky to say the least.

    I will watch the replies to this with interest, as I have never really got the hang of it myself.
     
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  3. amagras

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    Limiters are dynamic killers, they suck the life out of your playing. The best compressor is in your fingers. Instead of a limiter I would use a little bit of amp saturation, it's the same but it adds a bit of color ad harmonics that can make your track more distinguished in a mix.
     
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  4. KapnKrunch

    KapnKrunch Gold Member

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    Someone nailed it in the first post?

    Anyone else?
     
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  5. zdogma

    zdogma Gold Member

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    My experience on bass is modest, but I find most limiters make you sound like garage band-it can work for certain things but is pretty one dimensional. I do like compressors, but low ratios with a blend control, they help even things up just a bit but allow range if you need it.
     
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  6. KapnKrunch

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  7. keto

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    If compressors are killing your dynamics, yer definitely doing it wrong. I play with a pick and fairly heavy compression, can go from caressing barely heard to big string excursion pounding. I have the Diamond Bass Jr, and I admit it's not *quite* as dynamic as my Empress, where I can blend some, but it's still entirely usable. I use them mainly for limiting purposes, so the loudest doesn't spike through as hard. But my style probably not what most of you are doing.
     
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  8. player99

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    "you characters"?


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  9. _Azrael

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    Thump = high initial attack with a short duration.

    Flatwound strings with a foam mute.

    Use your fret hand to control duration and choke off the note in rhythmic time.

    If you’re using a compressor use a slower attack speed so that more of the initial transient pops through.

    You can also use rounds, palm mute, and play with a pick of your thumb.

    I think left hand technique is important to getting good thump.

    I’ve tried using my right hand to mute the strings before they pluck but I can’t get it to produce the same rhythmic result as I can get when using both
     
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  10. HighNoon

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    In the studio, Universal Audio compressor, just so the bass is tamed in a song's framework. Live, I get the sound I want before we start, and then when the band crank's it up, I throw all that out the window. If it's too much woof woof, I'll play less notes, which in my case, is not too difficult to do.
     
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  11. Granny Gremlin

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    I have not been happy with any bass comp/limiter I have tried (I have not tried the more expensive ones). I too am not looking for sustain so much as dynamic control - evening out the notes a bit. For that I would assume a fully featured (full control of threshold, ratio, attack, and release [often mislabelled as attack on most basic 3 knob comp pedals]) unit would likely be required. There are a few but expensive so haven't botherred yet (considering DIY).
     
  12. _Azrael

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    My preferred method is a tube preamp. It’s dynamically interactive in that the harder I play the more it clips and it naturally limits my output. It’s a natural sort of compression/limiting that - to me - feels musical.

    The problem I have with compressors is that they feel like I’m running into a wall. I dig in harder expecting a dynamic result, and what I feel is something holding me back. I’d rather it be done at the board, that way the soundman has control of how I sit in the mix and I don’t have to feel it interact with my playing.

    Some people have a technique that works great for compression and they can play the compressor like I can play a tube amp. I’m not one of those people.
     
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  13. audiorep2

    audiorep2 Gold Member

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    I am seeking a sound similar the Prakash John during the days of the Lincolns .
     
  14. amagras

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    I think you did!
     
  15. amagras

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    That's the impression you get when you don't match the output level to unity, which is the only way to hear what a compressor is doing.
    The work of a compressor is to shape the waveform, for that it has to reduce its dynamics, limiters don't even do that, they clip the crest and that's it. The only way to make a waveform even without changing its shape is volume riding:[​IMG]
     
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