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Wah before or after Fuzz / Drive?

Discussion in 'Effects Pedals, Strings and more' started by devnulljp, Oct 2, 2008.

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Where do you put wah in relation to fuzz and drive pedals?

  1. fuzz -> wah -> drive

    17 vote(s)
    17.5%
  2. wah -> fuzz -> drive

    55 vote(s)
    56.7%
  3. fuzz -> drive -> wah

    12 vote(s)
    12.4%
  4. something else entirely?

    13 vote(s)
    13.4%
  1. devnulljp

    devnulljp

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    Where do you guys put your wah in the effects chain relative to fuzz and drive type pedals? I've always gone wah->fuzz->drive, but the other day I put the fuzz after the wah and I kinda like it.
    What say you all?

    I find the wah kinda "tips" when it's before the fuzz...there's a definite point at which the tone changes rather than a slow sweep, whereas with the fuzz first you get a more extreme sweep. That's with a Vox V847, Dunlop crybaby, Area 51, Teese WoF, vintage Jen Crybaby...some with some without the impedance buffer...
     
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  2. Ti-Ron

    Ti-Ron Gold Member

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    Depend on my feelings, sometime I switch it, but I really love the sound of the Wah in first! Seem to me that there's more quack! I read somewhere that you have more than one wah so put one in front and one after your od/fuzz...problem solved! ;)
     
  3. devnulljp

    devnulljp

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    Last I looked I had three...maybe not a bad idea. An entirely wah board... :D
     
  4. mhammer

    mhammer

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    An age-old question. Wah after distortion is subtractive synthesis. Wah before distortion is additive synthesis. Wah after distortion is more focussed sounding and loses more bottom. Wah before distortion is more vocal sounding and loses less bottom.

    The same relationship exists between distortion and virtually any effect that has a filtering component (autowah, phaser, Uni-Vibe). As far as I'm concerned it is about time that pedal-makers started producing distortions in chassis that would accommodate a send/receive loop and an order-flipper switch that would let you situate that distortion ahead of OR after the device/s of your choice.
     
  5. Fajah

    Fajah

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    My pedalboard is arranged wah>>drive (no seperate fuzz)>>octave>>tuner>>loop station. I'm using a Boss powered pedalboard and it's designed for the wah to go first in the chain.
     
  6. hollowbody

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    I go Wah>Muff>some sort of 808 circuit pedal.
     
  7. It depends on what I'm after. Sometimes I really like the subtle filter sweep sounds of a wah in the loop -- after all the drive stuff. And sometimes I really like the over-emphasized highs you get with a wah first in the chain. I have an example! On this track the filter-swept backing track has the wah in the loop, and the lead track has the wah in front of everything. I think I was using an FKR for overdrive on the lead track.

    https://ian.coastpedalboards.com/sounds/superdelay/demo4.mp3

    All this indecision is what's driving me to design a box that lets me change the place of my ModFactor in my chain, from in front of my amp to in my effects loop, with the push of a button.
     
  8. Tin Type

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    when i did use wah.. it went before the muff into od... i liked being able to stack fuzz w/ overdrive and i found my wah and muff behaved better together in this order.
     
  9. mhammer

    mhammer

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    Maybe its just me, or the amp or pickups I use, but I find there are some distortions that respond well to a wah, or even a guitar tone change, placed ahead of them, and others that seem to ignore the particulars of the signal you feed them. In some instances, you can change from neck to bridge or from tone wide open to full mute and you barely detect a change in the sound from the distortion. Similarly, in some cases you can wah your brains out, and the distortion registers that change in input signal as a marginally perceptible change in where the emphasis is.

    I mention this because one can expect preferences and opinions to vary as a function of which distortion they are using. In some instances, either sequence (F->W or W->F) will produce an easily audible result, and the choice becomes one of aesthetic preferences (i.e., the kind of sonic change that order yields is one you like). In other instances, for whatever reasons (maybe source impedance sensitivity from the distortion), only one of the two choices is actually viable.
     
  10. dolphinstreet

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    My fuzz wants to be first in the chain, but I usually prefer distortion after the wah.
     
  11. LowWatt

    LowWatt Gold Member

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    My wah is in the middle. Most of my drive/fuzz before it, but I have a Dr. Scientist Frazz Dazzler (great weirdo fuzz that doesn't care where it sits in the chain) and a Solid Gold High Octane (cleanish boost) after it.
     
  12. gregory49

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    If your wah has a fuzz buffer before. If you plan to use the wah with the fuzz alot ... after. Now if you still want to use the wah before which is what i like and recomend be prepaired this will change the sound of your fuzz pedal unless the wah is true bypass. Everything else goes after .. (OD, Boosts) IMO and you should try it all out for yourself.
     
  13. Stevo

    Stevo Gold Member

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    In my experience, it depends on the fuzz you are using. My MJM London II HAS to go after my wah, otherwise it sounds terrible. My MXR 108 sounds better before the wah.
     
  14. devnulljp

    devnulljp

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    Is that a Si fuzz into an unbuffered wah? Do you get lots of odd howling if you put the wah first? An impedance buffer like the foxrox retrofit in the wah should fix that.
     
  15. ezcomes

    ezcomes

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    my setup is as follows...wah>DS-1>flanger>chorus>tuner...

    i use the amp's lead channel for my dirty tone, and then use the DS-1 for a lead boost...but even then, i have used the wah for a lead...turn it on, tip it forward and use it as a treble boost to cut through...or for other parts where i want a fuzzier tone, i'll turn it on and roll it all the way back...at one point, the last time i had it off the board, i took it apart and rolled the bar a couple teeth up from where it was to get a little more treble...

    but...i guess for this portion...i've always had the best luck, for my sound, with the wah before the distortion...
     

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