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The order of things

Discussion in 'Effects Pedals, Strings and more' started by 1979 930, Mar 23, 2020.

  1. 1979 930

    1979 930 Gold Member

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    Good evening. Been toying around with a wet dry rig and frankly, i dont seem to get the order of pedals right. I need help. In the pics are my pedals. Any suggestion on the order would help! The amps are a blues jr and a tone king mk1

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  2. mhammer

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    Pretty much every and any pedal order can be musically valid. However, I personally prefer to place compressors at the start of the chain. They are generally designed to interpret any quiet signal as desperately needing a helping hand. So if you precede them with anything that generates some hiss (which most gain pedals will do), the compressor will crank that hiss way up as soon as you stop playing.

    I've seen several videos recently where tremolo and reverb provided interesting sounds by being placed before drive pedals, but generally speaking, reverb was often a post-production effect, so sticking it at the end of the pedal chain is a somewhat classic location. The Quadrant delay can go before the Flint or after it. Both are valiud. Reverbing repeats can be interest, but then repeating tremoloed phrases can be interesting too.

    Where does your looper go? Pretty much anywhere. If you want to capture sounds that include effects, the looper goes at the tail end, where it can "collect" everything. On the other hand, if you wish to introduce effects to a loop at different points, then you'd have the loop early in the chain, and add/subtract effects from the played-back loop.

    Don't know what the yellow pedal is, so making recommendations about the order of your 3 drive pedals is difficult. Perhaps the Soul Food should go last. Do you stack your drives at all?
     
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  3. Dorian2

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    I'm not sure how much this'll help with your board since different pedals. My own preference is tuner-compressor - phaser-VS/XO (dual gain drive heavy on mids)-SLDrive (for Marshall in a box sound)-delay and reverb. Since I'm not familiar with your pedals, I can say that I adjust the gain stages from low (vs/xo channels)to higher (SL drive) into the clean amp(s). Those being the Blues Junior and a Blackstar HT20. Both clean as volumes are too high for my basement. Well actually the rest of my family, but I'll stick with basement. ;) I was actually planning on something like a wet/dry sound just earlier today so I'll be checking things out here. I think @vadsy may also be in a similar situation.
     
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  4. 1979 930

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    Super helpful answer. The yellow is a fuzz pedal. I typically did compressor, fuzz, timmy, soul for the dry section.

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  5. mhammer

    mhammer

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    The Timmy can go before or after the fuzz. The Timmy has the sort of tone controls that can provide shaping to provide a more pleasing fuzz sound.
     
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  6. 1979 930

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    ill try that!
     
  7. mhammer

    mhammer

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    I made a few simple dual loop-selector boxes, and made a point of including "order-flipper" switches, such that loop A could come before OR after loop B. Given how common the sort of question you initially asked is, I'm surprised that more loop-selector units don't come with order-flipping. Doesn't have to be feasible for ALL loops, but having it as an available option for some circumstances is a handy thing. Not just for trying stuff out, but also for achieving different arrangements without having to tear down your pedalboard and re-arrange it.
     
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  8. zontar

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    Throw them up in the air--and the ones that don't break get put in the order they land.


    (okay, not really--but it is fun to try all sorts of orders.)
     
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  9. vadsy

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    My approach is to first try and find a balance between the amps. Perhaps it is pushing one amp with an overdrive and while letting the other sit clean. I often shield one off because I like it in a sweet spot so some volume is required while the other gets pushed with an overdrive to get some dirt and gets mastered down to the same levels. My next step is to run a compressor, then some dirt which usually stacked throughout the set when necessary and then delay. At the delay I split the signal and allow both amps to get the wet repeats. The last thing is reverb or modulation of some sort, this is probably what makes the two amp system work wonders to my ears. A tremolo, vibrato or even a slow phaser on one amp only gives both working together a three dimensional sound. A heavy reverb with dirt on one while the other stays clean is magic to me. Good luck.
     

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