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  1. oldjoat

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    council approved the "ride for free" new years eve
    leave your car at home , experience the LRT for free on new years eve .

    the brand new system broke down early in the evening for 30 minutes
    later in the night it failed completely for 2 hrs ...

    extra buses were dispatched to cover the system , but wait ! most of the bus drivers were out celebrating new years eve ...

    once again , ottawa is the butt of many rightly earned jokes .:(
     
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  2. sambonee

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    Showing off usually ends with beaver tail on your face ( no not that beaver tail ). The pastry. .
     
  3. laristotle

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  4. mike_oxbig

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    This reminds me of the fast ferry fiasco bc went through in the 90’s

    “Well we tried, time to sell it for half what it cost and go back to the old system”
     
  5. player99

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    Rip up the tracks and turn them into bicycle trails.
     
  6. oldjoat

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    well they did a 50/50 for a week or so , it looked good to them , did a hard switch over and it fell flat on its' face the first week

    they recalled the bus drivers and did a re-set and ran parallel for another couple of weeks ... "got all the bugs worked out " ( still smiling faces )
    did the switch again ... fell flat on its face with the shoe laces tied together .

    red faces all around , sorry , sorry , sorry .... bring back the buses on standby in case the system fails
    no longer "on time and on budget" ... millions in the red and still not trustworthy .

    yeah ... a 2.5 billion fiasco ... just add another 2 billion to tear them up and pave it so a few die hard bikes can use it (and a 4 KM tunnel without lights )
     
  7. mike_oxbig

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    Just watch the oc transpo union will use this as an opportunity to strike in the winter again “we got em by the short n curlys now lads”
     
  8. player99

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    It's so bad they bought the wrong type of cars. Why did they not talk to Toronto about what works and what doesn't? Could it be that mayor Oogly Woogly Watson was getting money kickbacks for using SNC? He must have taken cash from the owners of the Laurier Hotel, otherwise why would he have blocked the councilors who were trying to get the design reviewed and have it approved in one day? There is no legitimate reason for that behaviour other than cash in a briefcase.
     
  9. oldjoat

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    designed by a model train guy with an oval in his basement , round and round ... how hard can it be ?
    no real sidings to shuttle broken trains onto , except at the far reaches
    no real heaters in the trains ( who'da thought it gets cold in winter ?)
    if one train goes down , they all grind to a halt ( remember the oval ? )
    built and already at capacity ( with only 1 backup train )
    council not allowed to see the actual first contract they approved ( too confidential ?)
    urged to sign phase 2 before phase 1 was completed and signed off ( it may cost us more later if we delay... OK take our money )
    not seeing the second phase contract before approving it too. (take more of our money SNC )

    they did consult other places AFTER they failed again and again ...
    they were laughed at " you did what ?"
     
  10. Budda

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    I gotta send that to a buddy.

    Glad my brother and his gf have cars.
     
  11. oldjoat

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    so do they ... :rolleyes:
     
  12. mhammer

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    A lot of fanciful conspiracies to go around.
    Rapid and public transit systems are subject to a number of mitigating factors that can screw up even the best and best-intentioned of plans of otherwise competent people:
    1) Like many big cities these days, developers seem to dictate the layout of the municipality, and consequently where public transit is and isn't cost-effective.
    2) Rivers, canals and other geographic factors can make for bottlenecks that are difficult to engineer around. Consider Hamilton's general inability to have something between the mountain and the downtown core, other than buses. Ottawa has rivers and canals that limit the connections available. A reality, not an excuse.
    3) The two major employers in the city - feds and telecomm - have either disappeared or moved around too much to make planning a simple task. Once upon a time, the objective was to get people downtown from the east end, or around Kanata. No more.
    4) Then there's the bugaboo of having not only two provinces to contend with, but also the National Capitol Commission, when it comes to what land and services each body has jurisdiction over. No other municipality in Canada has that hurdle to clear.

    Justifiable public impatience over missed deadlines, broken promises, NIMBY debates, sinkhole intrusions, and poorly-designed bus-train handover points is understandable. My kid studies these things as a (semi) professional, and feels there is much blame to be spread around. Really and truly, the "trial period" should have been in the spring, but folks couldn't wait. The municipal budget couldn't really handle an extended trial period AND parallel bus system until the long trial was over, so the trial period was shorter than it should have been, and the passenger problems resulting from not enough bus drivers and parallel buses resulted. A friend wrote to the chair of the transportation committee with a suggestion that, until all the bugs were worked out, the 200-series express buses that make a half-dozen runs in the morning from collector routes to the terminals at the end of the LRT continue on for the 8-12 stops past the terminals to downtown, such that the passengers might be divvied up between buses and the trains. The chair wrote back that they estimate this would cost an additional million bucks a week and they simply couldn't afford it. Moreover, they laid off so many drivers to meet their budget that they don't have enough to provide that service, and don't even have enough trainers to train up new drivers were they to ever spring the bucks to augment the bus service.

    As per usual, citizens are going to bitch about real and potential tax increases. You can't have it both ways.
     
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  14. oldjoat

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    so the nation's capital Councillors , are not smart enough to say ... "whoa ! , can't see the contract? ... too confidential? ... NO !, we won't sign !"
    none of the city retained lawyers or Councillors looked over the contract and read the fine print .

    then they do it all over again with phase 2 ? ...
    with the same consortium that FAILED to meet the original bidding requirements and failed to deliver a working phase 1 ...
    I'm entitled to say they're not the sharpest tools in the shed
    and paying "Top Dollar" to get the best hasn't got us the best.

    rail lines that snap in the cold , computers that shutdown like they're running Windows ( for a mission critical system ) , switches that fail and derail the trains

    rank amateurs.

    back in the 60'- 70's downtown ottawa was the place to be ( and the workforce was concentrated there )
    the commuter system was wheel (hub) topography , so everything ran to downtown ... the satellite communities didn't count.

    the downtown has been left in the dust as companies move away from the high costs of the core ...
    relocating in more favourable outlying areas with less traffic congestion , an airport and parking for their employees.

    but the core still clings to the idea that they still matter and are the end all and be all .
    so they build a tunnel to no where , a transit system without parking at the end terminals to entice folks to take the LRT
    then cancel useful bus routes to concentrate on the core service ( that most people don't need any more , just simplton servants )
    trips that took buses 45 minutes to complete , now take 3 transfers and 2 hours each way ( when everything IS running right )
    all trips go downtown then back out to where you have to go .

    forget the fact that they should have run the system east and west outside the core ... and had spurs running north and south , with local buses to collect/disperse the people as they use the system.

    that would be way too simple and cost effective. (and efficient)
     
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  15. dtsaudio

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    This one of the reasons that Hamilton's LRT got de-railed (pun intended).
    It was the train to nowhere and was going to cost 5 times what they estimated, and another 5 times that to maintain it over 20 years.
    KW's works because it joined two areas that had limited road access and a minimum of disruption to existing business and infrastructure.
    The exact opposite of Hamilton's and Ottawa's.
     
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