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Line 6 Helix???

Discussion in 'Effects Pedals, Strings and more' started by pat6969, Oct 2, 2015.

  1. jbealsmusic

    jbealsmusic Occasional CEO Dealer

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    So far, L6 has been pumping out firmware updates and it isn't even in the hands of most of the people who have bought it due to backorders. In the last firmware update, they added a new stereo delay effect. I'd say these are all good signs that they plan continued support for the unit. Assuming they keep it up, I'm sure there will be more amps and effects to come in the future.

    That said, in the TGP thread, there was talk that it was still up for debate at L6 HQ whether or not they will charge for added amp packs. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
     
  2. TimH

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    To me charging for amp packs won't be a big deal...you pretty much HAVE to buy new amp for the Kemper...
     
  3. jbealsmusic

    jbealsmusic Occasional CEO Dealer

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    Not sure I agree with that one. Thousands of free profiles out there. It's just a serious pain to download so many and sort through them all to find the gems.
     
  4. pat6969

    pat6969 Gold Member

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    I'm the same but I like to be able to settle on 2-3 from a choice of 100!
     
  5. TimH

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    and I guess what I'm saying is that since nearly every amps lineage is represented in the Helix (maybe Dumble is the glaring omission) and since the differences between cousins are, IMHO, all but lost when you play live, I think most people, if they stop going over the last 2% with headphones in their basement, can probably get there 2-3 for live use out of the Helix's available amps.
     
  6. jbealsmusic

    jbealsmusic Occasional CEO Dealer

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    Bringing this thread back to mention the newest update. Great stuff, including SNAPSHOTS! My most desired feature. If Line 6 keeps up with these updates, they have a real winner!

    Helix Firmware 2.0 - Includes new models, features, fixes, stability improvements, and optimizations. It is highly recommended that all Helix users perform this update!

    New Amp Models
    • Cali IV Rhythm 1, based on* the Rhythm I channel of the MESA/Boogie® Mk IV
    • Cali IV Rhythm 2, based on* the Rhythm II channel of the MESA/Boogie® Mk IV
    • Cali IV Lead, based on* the Lead channel of the MESA/Boogie® Mk IV
    • Line 6 2204 Mod, Line 6 Original based on* a hot-rodded Marshall® JCM 800
    • Line 6 Fatality, Line 6 Original based on* THALL
    New Effects Models
    • Distortion > Wringer Fuzz (Mono, Stereo), based on* Garbage’s special BOSS® FZ-2
    • EQ > Cali Q Graphic (Mono, Stereo), based on* the MESA/Boogie® Mk IV’s 5-band EQ
    • Modulation > Harmonic Tremolo (Mono, Stereo), Line 6 Original
    • Delay > Vintage Digital (Mono, Stereo), Line 6 Original
    New Features
    • Snapshots—Select one of eight snapshots to instantly recall all block on/off states, up to 64 parameters' values, certain Command Center values, and tempo. Any Delay, Reverb, or FX Loop block with its Trails parameter turned on will spill across snapshots seamlessly. To select a snapshot, press BANK UP and BANK DOWN simultaneously and then one of the middle eight footswitches. For Helix Rack owners who haven’t yet snagged Helix Control (and you should), press PRESETS and turn Knob 5 (Select Snapshot). For more information, check out the new Helix 2.0 Owner’s Manual, available here
    • Snapshot Parameter Assign—To adjust a parameter AND set it to automatically update per snapshot, press and turn the knob. To adjust a parameter WITHOUT it automatically updating per snapshot, just turn the knob like you normally would. If you accidentally press and turn and didn’t mean to, hold BYPASS and press the knob to instantly unassign snapshot control
    • Copy/Paste SnapshotsWhile touch-holding the footswitch for the snapshot you want to copy, briefly touch and release the footswitch for the snapshot you want to overwrite. For Helix Rack owners who haven’t yet snagged Helix Control (and again, you SHOULD), select the snapshot you want to copy, press PRESETS, and then ACTION. Press Knob 1 (Copy Snapshot). Select the snapshot you want to overwrite, press ACTION, and then Knob 2 (Paste Snapshot)
    • Swap SnapshotsTouch and hold two snapshot footswitches and a dialog appears, asking if you want to swap their location
    • Rename SnapshotsPress PRESETS and then Knob 6 (Rename Snapshot) to rename the snapshot to something meaningful, such as “VERSE 1”, “BIG SOLO” or “D. IGLOO.” Snapshot names are limited to 10 characters
    • Global Settings > Preferences > Snapshot Edits—Determines whether or not any edits made to a snapshot are remembered when returning to that snapshot. "Recall" automatically recalls any edits made to the snapshot; "Discard" forgets any edits made and returns the snapshot to its state when the preset was last saved. You must save the preset to store changes to snapshots regardless. The home screen’s camera icon turns red when set to “Discard.” Shortcut: Hold BYPASS and press SAVE to toggle this setting
    • Global Settings > MIDI/Tempo > Tempo Select—In addition to Global and Per Preset (still the default), Helix’s tempo can now be set per snapshot. Shortcut: Touch TAP to briefly view and set this parameter
    • Global Settings > Footswitches > Preset Mode Switches—You can now determine whether each row in Preset footswitch mode (upper or lower) selects Presets, Snapshots, or Stomps. The default setting remains the same, but is now called “8 Presets”
    • Global Settings > Footswitches > Snapshot Mode Footswitches—A new Global Settings > Footswitches parameter lets you set Snapshot mode footswitches as Auto Return (automatically returns to Preset or Stomp footswitch mode after selection) or Manual Return (stays in Snapshot footswitch mode until you press FS6 [CANCEL])
    • Global Settings > Footswitches > Up/Down Switches—FS1 and FS7 now have three options: Bank Up/Down, Preset Up/Down, and Snapshot Up/Down, available from the Global Settings > Footswitches menu. Shortcut: Press and hold FS1 and FS7 for one second to cycle through Bank Up/Down, Preset Up/Down, and Snapshot Up/Down
    • Global Settings > Ins/Outs > USB In 1/2 Trim—Added the ability to attenuate the level of incoming USB 1/2 signals, so Mac/PC/iOS applications with no (or difficult-to-access) app-level volume control can be more easily blended with Helix’s processing
    • Global Settings > Ins/Outs > Digital Out Level—Added the ability to adjust the digital (S/PDIF and AES/EBU) output level
    • Global Settings > EXP Pedals > EXP 1/2/3 Polarity—Added the ability to individually switch the polarity of EXP 1, 2, and 3, providing support for a wider variety of third-party expression pedals
    • Global Settings > EXP Pedals > EXP 1/2/3 Pedal Position—Global Settings > Footswitches > EXP Pedal Position has been split into separate parameters for each expression pedal. For example, EXP 1’s wah position can be recalled per preset, EXP 2’s volume position can act globally, and EXP 3’s reverb depth control can be recalled per snapshot
    • Controllers to Variax Parameters—Controllers (including Snapshots) can now control/recall Variax parameters, so you can do cool stuff like toggle between two guitar models with a footswitch, control Variax’s tone knob with an expression pedal, assign a momentary footswitch to drop D, recall completely different tunings with each snapshot, and more. There’s nothing special to do; just assign a controller to Variax parameters like you would any other parameter
    • Per Preset Guitar In Impedance—Global Settings > Ins/Outs > Guitar In Impedance has been moved to the Input > Multi and Input > Guitar In block and is now recalled per preset. It appears at Knob 4 as “Guitar In-Z.” Now that it’s on the Home page, you can assign a footswitch or snapshot to it and determine how your guitar’s pickups are loaded in real time. The default has been changed to “Auto.”
    • Enhanced Tuner Display—The tuner display now shows an additional –3-cent to +3-cent row of bars, providing more granularity when the note played is close to being in tune. Accuracy remains the same
    • MIDI Recall IndicatorPress PRESETS to open the Setlist menu. Dark text appears above Knob 2 and displays the necessary MIDI messages required to remotely recall the current setlist, preset, and snapshot so you don’t have to go digging through the manual
     
  7. jbealsmusic

    jbealsmusic Occasional CEO Dealer

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    Other Improvements
    • Shortcut: Hold BYPASS and press a parameter knob to quickly remove any controller assignment (including the Snapshots controller). The value appears without brackets, indicating no controller is assigned to it
    • Shortcut: In Pedal Edit mode, press and hold FS10 (VALUE–) and FS11 (VALUE+) to quickly scroll through values. Now Helix Rack/Control users can quickly adjust parameters with their feet when no expression pedal is connected
    • Shortcut: In Pedal Edit mode, press and hold a Time (or Speed) parameter switch to toggle between ms (or Hz) and note values, just like pressing the knob
    • Helix’s pitch detect algorithms have been optimized and now track slightly faster
    • Parameters in the Global Settings menu have been reorganized to better reflect their category. For example, Tap Tempo Pitch has been moved to a new Preferences submenu and the Info submenu has been removed, as the current FW version now appears at the top of the Global Settings screen
    • On the Save, Name, and Customize screens, Knob 3 (Clear) has been replaced with Insert, which inserts a space and shifts all following characters to the right. You can still clear a character by pressing the joystick, which now cycles through A, a, 0, and [SPACE]
    • The Footswitch Assign page has been renamed “Bypass Assign” to better describe current and potential future functionality
    • Touch-hold any assigned stomp footswitch and the Customize button now also appears above Knob 5. The Customize button is grayed out if the footswitch has nothing yet assigned to it
    • On the Customize screens, Knob 4 now always displays a Remove button, regardless of whether a custom label has been assigned (solid button) or not (grayed out button)
    • When touching two stomp mode switches to swap their locations, the inspector text now tells you which two footswitches will be swapped
    • Recall snapshots remotely via an incoming MIDI CC message. A CC69 message with value 0 recalls Snapshot 1, value 1 recalls Snapshot 2, value 2 recalls Snapshot 3, and so forth
    • Footswitches in Looper mode now transmit corresponding MIDI CCs
    • Additions to and improvements made to the existing factory preset bundle
    • Re-leveled presets
    • The Helix Owner’s Manual has been updated to 2.0
    Bug Fixes
    • Parameters could respond sluggishly when receiving lots of fast incoming MIDI CC data - FIXED
    • Some MIDI keyboards (including those by Roland and M-Audio) send active sensing messages every 300ms, which could sometimes affect Helix’s MIDI input to the computer, causing intermittent dropouts - FIXED
    • Certain cab model defaults with 121 Ribbon mic could display as 421 Dynamic - FIXED
    • Rapidly moving EXP 1/2/3 while importing/exporting presets could result in data lockout - FIXED
    • Command Center > Copy/Paste All Commands would not copy customized labels - FIXED
    • Learn Controller would not work with FS1 or FS7 while in 10 Switches Stomp mode - FIXED
    • Helix wouldn’t remember tuner output routing across power cycles - FIXED
    • After a factory reset, Global Settings > Ins/Outs > XLR Out Level would be set to Mic level until toggled, regardless of its displayed value - FIXED
    • Certain delay models’ Time parameter could only go down to 20ms, even if the display reflected a lower value - FIXED
    • The TAP footswitch’s LED would reflect Global tempo instead of Per Preset tempo - FIXED
    • General stability improvements
    • Other minor bug fixes and optimizations
    Known Issues
    • In rare cases, snapshot-enabled parameter values may appear out of range; this doesn’t affect audio, only visual feedback of the value. If this happens, turn the knob slightly to reset the displayed value and resave
     
  8. tomsy49

    tomsy49 Gold Member

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    After flipping so many Amps and pedals I'm seriously considering a Helix. What are your opinions on the Amps and effects, as well as the ease of creating a great sounding tone?? What do you use it with to play out loud?
     
  9. jbealsmusic

    jbealsmusic Occasional CEO Dealer

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    I flipped gear (especially pedals) ALL the time prior to going digital.

    I've been using modelers direct for about a decade. You just can't beat the convenience IMO. The modeling in Helix seems to be on par (or close enough to it that it doesn't really matter) with the big boys (Kemper/Fractal). It is certainly better than any L6 product I've previously owned, and much better than my RP1000 (which I've used for several years).

    Once you get the hang of the basics, it is really easy to create usable tones. It is easy to get the hang of too because the UI is probably the best in the business. When you get into the more advanced features and routing, it is unbeatable for its versatility and simplicity.

    I go direct and use a powered PA for self-monitoring and jamming.

    All that said, it is a different animal than a few pedals and an amp. It "feels" different than playing with an amp in the room. Even after using and preferring modelers for years, I can still "feel" a clear difference compared to when playing through a tube amp sitting next to me. If I had to guess, it is partly psychological and partly the difference between how a traditional cabinet interacts with the room compared to a FRFR system. Unfortunately for some guys, they never get over that feeling.

    And no, I'm not a shill for Line 6. I am not endorsed by them and have never worked in a store that sold their gear. In fact, I've been pretty critical of them for a long time. A lot of their products have fallen short for me. Helix is the first piece of gear from them that I'm legitimately impressed with (considering the recent updates especially).
     
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  10. Man0warrioR

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    Noob alert! I am probably getting one but I love playing through my pedalboard and Blues Jr. The board got big and i have always struggled with weight and also, lack of space for modulation. In addition, my apt really wont allow me to mic my amp hence I cant record my pedalboard really. Please help me understand:

    1. Any idea how it'd be to use a amp cab block and still use a tube amp? I keep my amp sound really clean
    2. I have KRK Rokit 5s; would I get a good output or do i need to get something better ? Some buddies use tech 21 power engine etc.

    Any advice is appreciated.
     
  11. hollowbody

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    Your KRKs are fine. I use Fostex PM0.3s, with a tiny 3" driver and it sounds great. Loses some bass, but we're talking electric guitar here, so there's not much going on below 80 hz anyway.

    You'd have to disable any cab modeling on the Helix if you're planning on running it into the BJ. You may also have to bypass amp modeling. At that point, you're basically just running effects, which may make it a bit expensive for that intended usage. However, in your situation, I would be much more likely to run the amps and cabs on the Helix and plug the Helix directly into the DAW. It will likely sound much better that way, too.

    If you're micing up your BJ, everything is going to sound like it's being recorded through a 1x12 with the same mic. Why not let the Helix do its thing, choose the amp you want that best suits they sound you're going for, test out a few different mic models and go with what sounds best? Honestly, you'll find yourself using the Helix more and the BJ less. I haven't fired-up my DRRI in almost a month.
     
  12. hollowbody

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    Also, there's ANOTHER new firmware out just last week.

    New Amp Models

    - Archetype Clean, based on* the clean channel of the Paul Reed Smith® Archon®

    - Archetype Lead, based on* the lead channel of the Paul Reed Smith® Archon®

    - Line 6 Litigator, new Line 6 Original inspired by boutique mid-gain amps



    New Effects Models

    - Distortion > Stupor OD (Mono, Stereo), based on* the BOSS® SD-1 Overdrive

    - Delay > Pitch Echo (Mono, Stereo), Line 6 Original

    The Litigator is a Dumble model and sounds incredible. I immediately dropped it into where I was previously using things like the Bassman/Twin. Also, while I had no experience with the PRS Archon previous to the model included in this firmware, the Archetype amp sounds phenomenal. The Clean is very, very usable with a TON of headroom and the lead is hot-rod Marshall heaven! Wowy Zowie.
     
  13. Man0warrioR

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    awesome! thanks so much! I have a Whammy DT which has a momentary switch I like to use a lot. Helix wont cover it, but I guess I'd have to take it out of my templeboard (which is a pain) and use it as an external pedal with the helix.
     
  14. jbealsmusic

    jbealsmusic Occasional CEO Dealer

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    I have been rocking that Archon model with some mesa IRs. Sounds killer!
     
  15. jbealsmusic

    jbealsmusic Occasional CEO Dealer

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    That Litigator model too. It is the dream classic rock tone for me. I really think L6 are outdoing themselves with Helix. I have never been happier with a single piece of gear.
     

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