Discussion in 'Effects Pedals, Strings and more' started by pat6969, Oct 2, 2015.
What they ALL said!
Just an observation...
Have you guys noticed that people are getting rid of these units like hot potatoes on the TGP forum? Every third post on the modelling emporium is one of these units.
I haven't checked. It doesn't surprise me though. A lot of TGPers seem to buy everything fancy that comes out only to resell them right after.
I'm waiting for the negative reviews to be posted. Not the advertisements claiming to be reviews, but the reviews from actual users detailing what exactly they didn't like about it. Something tells me I won't bond with it either, but I'm certainly willing to give it a shot.
I've been much more critical of youtube after my recent series of debacles, so I was able to listen for key things that hint at what the gear might be like in actuality. As mentioned in post 12, those pros can't even get any feeling into those notes.
skip youtube videos, go straight to proper soundcloud uploads of the audio. Anyone who can get a decent mic placement (or DI as the case may be) would have a far better representation. I think a lot of YT demos are actually just camera audio, which is next to useless IMO.
Couldn't wait for the AX8, I'll still buy it when my name comes up but I had gas. Found a Helix in Edmonton!! Woooohoooo!! Should have it tomorrow. I will start a new thread with a review and some clips after I've tried it a few days. 30 day return policy makes trying it a no brainer!!
I just looked and I see five Fractal Axe FX for sale on the first page. There's one Helix and it's sold already.
As for "feeling" in the notes, that is either in the player's hands or it doesn't exist.
Just my opinion of course.
I went to the link that was provided in post 12 just to watch the guys hands. It sure LOOKED like he was trying to get some "feel" into it considering how much those finders were vibratoing, but it sure didn't sound like what I was expecting after seeing it.
Just my own observation though.
Stang Guitars has a Helix hooked up and ready to demo in-store,.. if anyone in the Edmonton area is interested.
I stopped by this afternoon and asked for a demo, didn't want to embarrass myself wanking away on something I have zero experience with. Sounded good, straight cray amount of tweaking options, possibly a selling feature for some and a deal breaker for others. They have it hooked up to a 2x10 Roland solid state stereo amp, I'd love to hear it with a large amp and compare some tones.
It looks like things have changed, since my post. There's always Axe FX, Kempers, or Eleven Racks filling the pages out. I just think it's telling that the Helix pretty new, and there was a bunch up there already. They couldn't have had them for too long.
I'm certain you can't coax any dynamics out of certain gear - no matter how good you are. Your "feeling" is lost. I can hear it in the Helix.
A good player can work within the limits of shit gear to make it work (andy at proguitarshop is a master of making mediocre pedals sound awesome). I recall that video where SRV grabs Buddy Guy's guitar and struggles to get his signature vibe.
Buddy guy does a quick noodle before handing it over to SRV- zero dynamics, but some definite style. SRV can't make a note squeal for the life of him, no message from the fingers at all, so he starts working the wah to save himself.
Hey Guys...really sorry for not checking back. I've been renovating my basement and time has been as a premium. Also...I'm not gear whoring at the moment.
So...how is the Helix?
I've owned the Kemper with pro made profiles, the Axe Std, Ultra, and IImk1 and to me the Helix is every bit as good as those units sonically. Different...but in the same ballpark for sure. All the people I've played with agree with the assessment too...even the digital skeptics.
The interface is brilliant. I HATE the idea of lugging a laptop to a gig for some edit program and without that the Axe and HD500 were terrible to use. The Helix is simple, intuative and beautiful.
The only thing I've had to connect to a PC for was updating and initial loading of my IR's. Took me maybe 5 min total.
So that is the meat and potatoes. Everyone wants to know "does it sound as good as other offerings." To me...yes. Different but good.
The gravy is this: I get a recording interface, MIDI controller that is better than both the Axe and Kemper offerings, and it costs $1000CND less than a full Kemper rig or half an AxeII+MFC rig.
The cons? Less variety than either rig. If you absolutely need a Matchless sound or the vintage channel on a Dual Rec this won't be a rig for you....at the moment.
Feel free to ask questions
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I think the Helix can hold it's own with the big boys. I loaded it with some Ownhammer IR's and it simply rocks. The option for amps and effects is severely limited compared to the AFXII XL I had but the core tones of the amps that it comes with are excellent. The UI is slick and easy to use, the audio interface is great, and the scribble strips are excellent. Build quality is tankish. Not sure if I'll keep it as I find myself looking for that Friedman tone I was getting from my Axe. If I knew 100% that L6 was going to be adding amps and effects at a frantic pace I might decide to keep it.
Yeah I guess this could be a legitimate concern...but I guess my experience using the units live is that the differences between a modeled AC30 and DC30 dissapear rather quickly. I'm always evaluating these units from a live perspective and so, even if there are no additions, I can't think of any sounds I won't be able to get from this unit. Worst case scenario is that I add an H9 Max in a loop.
That being said, I won't complain if they do add stuff over time. I just am not in the camp of people who need dozens of amp options. I'll settle in on 3-4 eventually anyhow.
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