Discussion in 'Effects Pedals, Strings and more' started by pat6969, Oct 2, 2015.
Guitarworks in Calgary now says sometime mid/late October vs the original September.
FYI I had the London store manager call Yorkville...the Helices are still in transport to them (not in the warehouse as previously reported) and he would expect to see them in store late next week. I'm hoping Thursday before my band practice.
Bonus points to TimH for the correct pluralization of Helix. Tres bon!
Please explain the "Silent Stage" approach. I'm picturing the band on stage playing with no sound coming out to the audience.
Guitars, bass, keyboards and drums (electronic) are direct to PA. The musicians hear themselves via IEMs. The audience hears the mains.
There are no amplifiers or monitor speakers on stage.
This results in a highly controllable mix without hot spots (sitting in front of the guitarists's amp in a normal situation and that's all you hear).
Typically monitors are very loud. Musicians seldon realize HOW loud, until you show them by turning off the mains. That inteferes wiith the house mix, causes feedback issues. Having conventional amps on stage has additional pitfalls such as escalating volumes.
A variation of the silent stage can be accomplished using conventional amps if the are kept off stage (isolated)and mic'd.
Thanks for the explanation. I personally would like this "silent stage" concept as I struggled through 30 years of playing trying to get band members to turn down their volume. I'm assuming that a soundman is necessary to control the final mix from the board as band members still have volume control knobs on their instruments and that everyone is using IEM's.
You're quite welcome.
What I've found is that once each player has his mix dialed in, the volume escalations stop dead.
And, another bonus with IEMs is the fact that no matter where any player wanders on the stage, he or she continues to hear the mix he dialed in.
The soundman has a much easier time getting a balanced mix throughout the audience. It's such an improvement over the old way, it's surprising to me that more bands don't adopt it.
IEM's... too each his own.
I'd rather not play than have to play with them. I feel to isolated and disconnected from my surroundings, and guitar tones just don't sound right through ear buds.
That's my experience so far anyways with mic'd amps off stage, or a few generations of PODs, and even with control of my own monitor mix via Aviom personal mixer.
However touring pros mostly use them, so that speaks volumes.
As far as the Helix goes, I'm looking forward to them hitting the streets so we start hearing some real user tones and experiences.
Line 6 Helix - $1499 USD, shipping October.
Fractal AX8 - $1399 USD, shipping October.
Will be a battle for the ages.
IMO the short story is that the choice comes down to what you value more.. the best UI and feature set, or the best sound.
I'm curious to hear the Helix for myself, but I've heard the HD500x and IMO it didn't compare to Fractal. Not in the same ballpark. It was great for the money though, you could buy 5 or 6 of them for the price of an Axe-Fx.
Now with AX8 vs Helix, the price argument is all but gone.
I know exactly how the AX8 will sound - same as my Axe-FX II. Same code and same quality hardware for A\D and signal path, the only compromise is you can't run as many instances of amps, cabs and FX all at the same time. For everything I do (virtual amp, cab and string of virtual pedals) it will sound equally incredible.
Now along comes the Helix. SUPER fancy hardware.. big color screen, programmable LCD labels for each switch, multi-color rings around switches. VERY cool UI and feature set. It's supposed to sound better too. It's possible they could close the gap, or at least somewhat to the point that it won't matter much.
I'd have to hear Helix, but at this point if I had to guess I'd bet the AX8 will still sound significantly better then the Helix.
These are my thoughts, not yours.
It continues to be a very good time to be a guitar player.
I, like Robboman, haven't tried either one but I think the Helix has to sound better. It costs $100 more.
By the way, Fractal just opened their waitlist for AX8 for US and Canada.
There is a thread for the AX8. Wouldn't posts about it be better suited there?
The Helix looks sharp.
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