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Line 6 Helix???

Discussion in 'Effects Pedals, Strings and more' started by pat6969, Oct 2, 2015.

  1. pat6969

    pat6969 Gold Member

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    Anybody heard anything on when these will be in Canada? I'm using the AxeFX II XL with the MFC-101 but I sure like this all in one unit. I have cash sitting in my "guitar" account but might snag one of these.
     
  2. Steadfastly

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    They are expected at Musician's Friend in a few days so they should be available in Canada within the month, I'm guessing.
     
  3. pat6969

    pat6969 Gold Member

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    I see them on the L&M website but when I called they didn't know anything other than they have 40 ordered in to the warehouse with 25 already spoken for. They don't have any idea as to when they will hit the warehouse though.
     
  4. Budda

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    Wait until you can try the Fractal AX8.

    To sum it up, taken from a friend online:

    "There's no way I'm paying Axe-Fx/Kemper money for something that says Line 6 on it. Line 6 is synonymous with fizz, plummeting resale value, and shitty tech support."
     
  5. Milkman

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    Opinions vary.
     
  6. Budda

    Budda Gold Member

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    Google "line 6 software updates" and see what their last models sell for used. For anyone looking to get serious use out of their products, it would be on my radar. Tone aside, if the unit doesn't get regular, free updates and barely gets support - who's going to help after the purchase has been made? It's the line 6 track record that makes it sketchy, not the unit itself.
     
  7. Milkman

    Milkman Gold Member

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    Resale value is of no interest to me.

    Opinions vary as to the tones.

    In my opinion, if you can't get good tones from Line 6 modelers, the problem isn't gear related.

    And, for what it's worth, I've never really needed tech support with my Pod. I just plug in and play.
     
  8. jbealsmusic

    jbealsmusic Occasional CEO Dealer

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    We'll see what they sell it for... I was really excited for the AX-8 until I saw Helix. The UI is far superior, and it includes an expression pedal. Less stuff to carry is always good to me! Decent usable tones should be easily achievable on both units. The AX-8 may have that extra 5% that only I'm going to notice when jamming alone through nice studio monitors in a treated room. But coming from a loud stage at a club, no one will notice the difference but me.

    I wish people would stop saying that. Helix sells for USD$1499 (even less with discount coupons). Axe II+MFC is more than twice that. KPA with a decent controller is getting up near the USD$2500 range. They are nowhere near the same price. For the price of an Axe-II+MFC or a KPA+Controller you can get a Helix with a decent powered FRFR or combo amp with money to spare.

    Also, I'm not sure judging a company's products based on past releases at a completely different price point is totally fair. Just look at Apple (or any other mainstream tech company for that matter).

    Honestly, I'm sure both units will be amazing tools to work with! Neither should be written off before giving it a shot.
     
  9. From my experience with different L6 items since Pod 1, I'm done.
     
  10. Budda

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    All a company has to go on at the end of the day is how it's been remembered with previous attempts. It was mentioned with guitars, cars, movie producers, etc. If your track record is bad, you're *really* going to have to wow people for a while to convince them the ship has been turned around.

    No one said axe fx + MFC ;). If the Helix won't be getting updates to keep up with the Fractal/KPA gear, and keeps getting left in the lurch, why not spend the extra couple hundred (which is what a used Axe FX II sells for) and get a unit that is constantly being improved upon? An expression pedal can be had for $40, so line 6 including one (to me) isn't really a big deal.

    I'm jealous that Milkman doesn't have to worry about resale value, but a lot of guitar players factor that in - myself included.
     
  11. Milkman

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    Why do we need constant and continuous updates? Do you get those with a vintage tube amp? For me the value is in functionality and in the sounds I'm able to get, not in keeping up with the latest thing.

    As for not having to worry about resale value, I'm no more well off than many here. I just don't buy gear hoping to recoup some of the cost later. I buy it because I like it and expect to use it.

    I'm currently using POD HD500X. It cost much less than the Dr. Z Maz 38 I recently sold, and sounds every bit as good.

    The Helix IS a bit pricey but if the sounds are better than what I currently have I'd say there's value there.

    The trick is NOT trying to keep up with technology and focussing more on playing IMO.

    I just take exception to people saying that the tones from Line 6 are crap.

    I've always felt the same about almost every Mesa amp I've heard, but I've come to realize that it's almost always the player that has the biggest impact on what I hear from the board.
     
  12. Adcandour

    Adcandour Gold Member

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    I'm not sure how I feel about this unit. It could be the player, but I'm leaning toward the gear. If you listen closely and focus on the hanging notes, you'll see that's there's zero expression coming from the players fingers. I'll have to surf around for some other vids.

    [video=youtube;-Fduahpgt8I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fduahpgt8I[/video]
     
  13. Milkman

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    Youtube clips are not how I would assess any gear in terms of tone. You can get a reasonable idea of functionality but to know how it sounds when YOU are playing it, well, you know.......
     
  14. pattste

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    I think the reason is that people are hoping the software update will get the modeler to sound closer to said vintage tube amp it is emulating. Assuming the processor has enough power to keep up with the more sophisticated algorithms that the company develops over time, this is a reasonable expectation. I have not followed the world of modelers closely but it appears that the Kemper has been more futureproof than the Axe Fx or Line 6 devices. This is also how resale becomes a consideration, if you need to sell to get a new unit that does a better job of getting the classic amp sounds. I think it's pretty clear that strictly in terms of coping the sound of the best amps, the modelers are not quite there yet. The question is whether their numerous and significant advantages in other aspects make up for it.
     
  15. Cups

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    You're never going to find the answer through YouTube. It's a sit down and test it thing.
    Digital emulators feel different then the real thing. So what? I've been playing the digital stuff so long I prefer it over tubes. I've come to that realization and I'm okay with it.
    There's also the volume factor which is huge for me. There's a threshold where after a certain volume I can't recognize the note anymore . There is way more control with digital. And the sound is consistent over many decibels.
    I still enjoy a nice tube amp but I'm more inspired by my Boss GP-10 then anything else.
     

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