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Ibanez Tube Screamer TS808 reissue .... vs ..... TS808HW which is Hand Wired

Discussion in 'Effects Pedals, Strings and more' started by dino, Nov 17, 2010.

  1. dino

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    Do you think the TS808HW is more of a collectors item than a sound difference? The price is Approx. $400 + with tax vs the Reissue 808 at 200 + with tax.
    Is the Hand Wired Tube Screamer worth the extra $200 dollars.

    Thanks, Dino
     
  2. GuitarsCanada

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    They are both pretty expensive in my view, but lets see if someone can tell us if that wiring is worth the increase.
     
  3. Gene Machine

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    I did a mod on my TS9, and I think there is a significant difference, but not $300 worth.

    There is a mod to the output filter (can't remember it now, but google search would find it) and you change the frequency of the output filter to be a bit brighter, less muddy. I did it with a spare resistor I had lying around, and to my ears there was a noticeable difference. But this mod is really easy witha bit of electronics know how.

    I don't believe that the IC Amplifier inside makes any difference in tone. Unless there is a huge difference in noise characteristics, any bandwidth / slew rate differences between the two chips would be indistinguishable to human ears. (or dogs ears, or bat ears). So I personallyy don't buy the snake oil of a new chip.

    But a used TS9 and a simple mod. yeah, I think it will get you close enough to a TS808 that no one would know the difference.
     
  4. hollowbody

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    I forget who it was, but an online guitar site (maybe Legendary Tones) did a review of a bunch of different TS pedals and the handwired did VERY well. It was a blind test if I recall correctly.
     
  5. dino

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    So now were on the subject of the 808's , has anybody tried the maxon OD808 ? would it give the TS808 reissue a good run for its money?
     
  6. jimihendrix

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    [video=youtube;WtEGu1ag0-k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtEGu1ag0-k&feature=related[/video]
     
  7. hollowbody

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    I've heard that the Maxon 808 is "better" than the TS808, but I have not experience with either directly. I've used reissue TS9s, modded TS9s and vintage TS9s, so I'm really familiar with what they can do, but 808s are uncharted territory for me. I do want a Maxon OD808 though.
     
  8. screamingdaisy

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    808s are a bit darker/smoother than TS9s, which are a little brighter/clearer.

    As for which is better, it depends on your amp. My one amp (Dual Rectifier) loves the OD808 but doesn't perform as well with brighter TS style pedals (I don't have an actual TS9 any more... just some pedals that are somewhat similar). My Mark V on the other hand doesn't like the OD808 all that much and prefers the brighter TS style pedals.

    It's probably why there's about a million tubescreamer clones out there, all with someone claiming that this one blows away that one while someone else thinks they both suck...
     
  9. mhammer

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    The difference between the original 808 and the TS9 is a couple of component values on the output. The original 808 tends to load a little more, and that slight shaving off of high end makes it seem "warmer" to some people in some circumstances; largely, I suspect, when the pedal is driving the amp directly, and not passing through another pedal first.

    The trouble with any and all TS models and derivatives is that they rely fundamentally on toneshaping before and after the clipping stage, and the caps used to do that have considerable variation within their stated tolerance. Perhaps (and I have no confirmation or knowledge thereof) the "handwired" TS uses components that are selected to be spot on their nominal value, and the extra time/labour involved in picking things out of a bin and measuring them is built into the price (though not enough to justify it).

    Either way, there is nothing to stop any of you from picking up the cheapest TS clone/model you can find (e.g., an Ibanez Soundtank) and simply replacing the offending parts with 808-spec ones.

    You can also start by reading RG Keen's timeless classic The Technology of the Tube Screamer ( The Technology of the Tube Screamer ), wherein all secrets (of both the TS and pretty much all subsequent derivatives) are revealed.
     
  10. hollowbody

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    Hmm, based on that, I probably won't like the 808s as much as the TS9. I like the bite in a TS9 and if I got something missing that, I'd probably be disappointed. Besides, my JTM is a pretty dark amp to begin with and the overdrive it creates is of the "smooth" variety already. That's probably why I liked using my vintage TS9s with it so much. I'll have to hunt down one of the newer Maxon TS-9s maybe, so try to find another Analogman one.
     
  11. mhammer

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    Oh I'm sure you can get all of the "bite". Don't necessarily equate "smooth" with dull-sounding.

    At the same time, it is always important to keep in mind that any distortion-oriented device provides harmonics of what you feed it. So the harmonic content of Strat pickups may sound somewhat harsh to a person using a TS-9 but suitably round and vocal with a TS808 output structure, while a TS-9 may well liven up humbuckers more than a TS808 does. I don't think either one is "better", but it is easy to imagine any given player may find the one more suited to what they feed it and what they hope to hear than the other one. Same goes for chip choices in a TS clone.
     
  12. hollowbody

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    Agreed. Thanks for calling me on ambiguity and generalization :P

    I'm using humbuckers most at the moment, so I think maybe the section of your post that I bolded applies best to me. Also, I am familiar with the TS9 and know what it does and what it can and cannot do in conjunction with my amp, my guitars and my pickups. I do still want to give an 808 a go and see what I think, but I have the luxury of falling back on the TS9 sound if I don't like the 808.
     
  13. Greenbacker

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    I've owned them all. This includes a TS9, TS808, two OD808s, a Keeley TS808 and an Aanalogman/Maxon OD9 Silver (plus many variants). They are all very similar. Unfortunately I owned them all at different times so it is hard to tell the subtle differences between them. I feel like the TS9 has more drive; more of a distortion like quality.

    Not that you asked, but what I kept for a while at the end of my searches was a Jekyll & Hyde (The one side is a super nice sounding 808 clone believe it or not). Really nice though and a great buffer. I eventually bought an Xotic AC Booster though. That was the end of the line for me. I've also got a FullDrive II which is, of course, another 808 variant.
     
  14. mhammer

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    The guy who penned tha rticle on Tube Screamers, that I linked to, is the guy who does a big chunk of the designing for Visual Sound these days. I don't think he designed the J & S, but he did design the Open Road overdrive they now sell, which is an optimized TS. So, of course, are things like the Hermida Zendrive, etc.
     
  15. dino

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    More info needed please on the tubescreamer! I have a chance to purchase a TS9 modded to the 808. The person says it has the more or less mod done also. Can someone explain what this more or less mod is and what difference it makes to the sound of the pedal.
    Thanks, Dino
     

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