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Chorus Pedal Poll

Discussion in 'Effects Pedals, Strings and more' started by 2005fz1, Dec 4, 2006.

  1. mhammer

    mhammer

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    No. If I had spent all that money on a decent guitar that stayed in tune, or a better car, I would have "won". But thanks for the award anyways.
     
  2. allthumbs56

    allthumbs56 Gold Member

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    I've had a CS-9, a CE-2, and an H20 (which I still use). Chorus to me is one of those effects that works well when you're playing alone but (to me anyway) never seems to sit as well in a band mix - the guitars always seem to sound out of tune.

    Having said that, nothing ever sounded better at chorus than my JC-55.
     
  3. mhammer

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    The part I highlighted is the very reason why a) I do the bass-cut mod to my choruses (when feasible) and b) the Dimension C is such a fabulous chorus.

    Choruses function by having a copy of the signal falling behind and catching up. When it does that, the pitch changes. The time lag adds some "thickening" to the sound, but the more time lag you add, the more pitch deviation you tend to get, unless you design to avoid it. The Dim-C, by being always sharp and flat at the same time, avoids the pitch seeming to change. The result is a chorus that doesn't feel like it's getting in the way. Folks tended to steer clear of them when they came out, perhaps because they only had 4 pushbuttons rather than a couple of knobs. The irony is that the Dim-C doesn't have knobs because it never really needed them to provide compensation for the perceptible pitch-wobble inherent in "regular" chorus pedals.

    I have one of those old blue rackmount MXR Digital Delay units. Although there are a number of ways that more contemporary digital delays can kick its ass around the block, one of the more interesting aspects is that it can produce some very interesting chorus effects at much longer delays than one is accustomed to. Think Pat Metheny and what some folks like to call "automatic double tracking".

    Ironically, this is because it can't sweep very wide; generally only a maximum 4:1 sweep in delay time when modulating. Makes for crappy flanging, but it also means that it's a breeze to set it to provide gentle modulation from, say 40-43msec. That's long enough for a truly discernible delay, but with very little pitch wobble. The result is an extremely spacious-sounding chorus.

    Speaking of spacious-sounding, the neat thing about the JC series of amps was that the amps have built-in stereo. Many choruses have true stereo capability (one output of undelayed guitar, one output of delayed guitar), but guitarists generally don't use it because it requires lugging two amps around. The JC amps solve that by using two power amps connected to dedicated speakers in the same cabinet. The distortion has a reputation as sounding like crap, but then one can always use a pedal for that. The stereo separation of dry and wet signals, on the other hand, lends a spaciousness that is simply hard to achieve in mono, no matter what kind of pedal you use. That spaciousness, as I indicated (and as did Wild Bill) in a prior post, is a big part of what makes rotating/Leslie speakers so special. They just sound ....."big". (The SMF amps, I think, use a similar strategy for their reverb, and reviews have been gushingly positive about how good the reverb sounds)

    We could debate until the cows come home about whether the CE-1 into two amps, or the JC amps, "sound like a Leslie", but the fact of the matter is that once you've started using a chorus in stereo, you've gone a long way towards achieving a major aspect of why Leslies are so damn satisfying and inspiring to play with. The swirl makes even the simplest little Steve Cropper style figures sound majestic and.....enough.

    If you haven't tried one out yet, check out either the Boss RT-20 ( https://www.roland.com/products/en/RT-20/index.html ) or the Line 6 Roto-Machine ( https://line6.com/tonecore/rotomachine.html ). Just make sure that, even if sales staff give you "the malocchio" (evil eye), you insist on plugging it into two amps at once. My guess is they probably have never done so themselves, and will be impressed by qualities of the pedals they never realized were there.

    Stereo movement is where it's at, baby!
     
  4. Mr Yerp

    Mr Yerp Gold Member

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    CE 2 all the way for me. These days I've been running it into a stereo DOD Ice Box, with the Ice box running slow, and the CE 2 rate faster. Cool effect in stereo.
    Gotta agree w/ Thumbs about the JC 55 tho', nice effect from the smaller (as opposed to the 120) speakers.
     
  5. Chito

    Chito Gold Member

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    Mhammer, have you had a chance to try out the Digital Dimension DC-3? What is the difference between the two outside of one being analog and the other being digital? Thanks.
     
  6. Vincent

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  7. mhammer

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    Nope, haven't had a chance to try it.

    Thing about the DC-2 is that it's an extremely tightly packed pedal. In order to do what it has to do, there is a lotta stuff required, so I imagine that Boss opted for digital technology because it simply cost them less. Besides, for a little while there, the delay chips required for it were unavailable in the quantities Boss would need. If they were going to have to redesign around chip availability, may as well move to digital since many of their pedals are migrating that way already.

    If Line 6 can do a digital emulation of the DC-2, I would expect that Boss could pul it off too. Just never heard it in person, though, myself.

    Note that while I mentioned the rotary controls were not needed, that doesn't mean they can't be useful. The rackmount version of the Dim-C had continuous controls for speed and once you have that you need a control for depth. It was a hit, too.
     
  8. hollowbody

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    I've been looking into finding a DC-2 for a while now, but haven't come across one. I saw a DC-3 for sale for roughly 150 or so, which seemed like a good deal, but I've never actually tried that one, so I'm not sure if it's as good as the DC-2.

    In the meantime, I'm relatively happy with my CE-2, though I'm interested in this bass-cutting business you're talking about. What exactly is needed for this mod for the CE-2? Sounds like maybe just a cap switch here and there, or I am totally off-target?
     
  9. mhammer

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    No, you're bang-on target.

    In particular, that would be C14 in the CE-2 : https://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/tom/files/ce2.gif

    Reducing it by half raises the bass rolloff pint by an octave. You will likely have to reduce it from the current value of .033uf to .001uf before you start hearing a difference. I realize that moving the lower boundary up by 5 octaves seems a bit much, but it starts out reeeeeeally low.
     
  10. bluesbird

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    I own 2 CE-2 MIJ, Green Label & Black Label. I know that the black label is more rare, so I want to keep the black. Is there a way to find out the year of production by analyzing the serial #.


    Great analog pedals, I use both of them at different settings.
     
  11. 4STYX

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    Hey Dave.Can the Halo do a good Uni-vibe sound?Thanx.
     
  12. cbrown0019

    cbrown0019

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    I'm using the BBE Mind Bender right now. Its a chorus/vibrato pedal. The vibrato isn't the greatest. But I really like the chorus on it. Its modeled after the Way Huge Electronics Blue Hippo. I can get a huge variety of sounds out of it. You can get CE-2 sounds out of it but with more speed and depth potential out of it.
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  13. Stratin2traynor

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    I'm test driving a Fulltone ChoralFlange right now. Sounds pretty good. Anyone try one? If so, what were your impressions.
     
  14. Spikezone

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    I'm another CE-2 user. Love it, then stupidly talked myself into buying a Marshall SuperVibe, which I have never been all that happy with. It's built like a tank, but has a few too many parameters, like wave shape, and such, and I can't really get a lot of sounds out of it that I am happy with. Good thing I kept the CE-2, but I am also thinking about trying out a Cool Cat as well. I'm curious, do the Cool Cat versions with 9V or 18V sound or perform any differently?
    -Mikey
     
  15. bluesbird

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    Do u prefer a stock MIJ CE-2 over a modded CE-2 ? I'm kinda undecided whether to mod the pedal or not, since i love the pedal the way it is. Would you personally mod the pedal, or would you leave it as is ? A psa conversion is a must; however, would the rate speed mod change the overall tone of the pedal ?
     

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