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"Active" vs "Passive" Bass

Discussion in 'Bass' started by Dorian2, Oct 26, 2019.

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  1. JonnyD

    JonnyD Gold Member

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    I went through all this years ago and spent a ton of money on garbage. Seems to me you’re starting out sort of thing.

    What I would do is rent a few loud bass amp combos or a head and cabinet. Just because it’s 300-500 watts(depending on the amp) you don’t have to crank it. What you need or should do is see what your bass can do with a massive amount of clean headroom.

    Get the clean thump of your bass first and get used to it. Then jazz it up with your pedals and accessories. If something sounds like junk you can rule out your bass and amp you choose because you should be familiar with it.
     
  2. Dorian2

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    Thanks much for your input.

    The big thing holding me back for the bigger amps is the price range. But I will be renting some bigger ones as you suggest as well. I unfortunately didn't make it very clear so I can clear it up now. My best case scenario:

    - Price range: $300 - $500 give ar take (new or used). You can see the limitation already. Reference: Solid State Combo Bass Amp Rentals at Long & McQuade Canada But there are a few more options just above my upper sortabutnotreally limit which I'm willing to exceed to a point ($50 - $100)
    - Amp Style: Combo or DI/Tech 21 style preamp for recording. Initially I've been eyeing Rumbles, Tech 21, and Traynor Small blocks for consideration.
    - compact and fairly light, but weight isn't really a big issue. There is a lot of deviation available here.
    - Sound quality. As "undigital" as possible, given the pricing limitations, which seems to go hand in hand with Wattage

    I'm only using L&M as a reference point for this thread regarding pricing and options. Just for convenience. I'm looking at all options. Both new and used
     
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  3. JonnyD

    JonnyD Gold Member

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    I’m picking up a used hartke LH500 from a local Mcquade for $199. Found a 4x10 Ashdown cabinet for $399 also at Mcquade. The best bet is to go in there and get them to search out the gear from across Canada stores. They will get it to your location.
     
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  4. Dorian2

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    @Frenchy99 mentioned he used a Peavey Bandit 65 for a Bass amp some time ago. I just happen to still own an '86 Model so I'm also going to throw that in the mix of possibilities. If it ends up working half assed as I expect it might, at least for practice, it may open up other options for me like a Tech21 I mentioned earlier for recording. This is just my thought process right now. Nothing has been determined as of yet obviously.
     
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  5. Dorian2

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    I'm just testing the Viper through the Peavey Bandit this evening. Also testing some of the options on the Volume and Tone knob of the Bass. I'll start there since it's the threads idea. It seems to do what I've read is suggesting. Volume for overall and that Tone knob is totally the gain. From 35 years of passive LP to this Made in China beast is something I'm actually pretty damn excited about. It's a little too accurate because I'm so used to the larger swells of the LP and Tele, but I'll get it down quick. I'm really liking it a lot though.

    @JonnyD , you know how you were mentioning massive amounts of clean headroom? The headroom on the Peavey gives me a pretty damn good idea now. It's on 2.5 on the Peavey right now on the clean channel, Bass almost maxed, Mids up, pulled (thick) Treble knob lowered, but not too much, and a bit of Presence for a pretty big earful of Tone. Still playing around with those though.

    Sometimes the obvious choice is right in front of your face at this point. Or under your Kustom.

    That's my brand new floor that was just installed BTW!!

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    I'm looking forward to seeing how that cheap Zoom B2 likes the Peavey. With it's FX Loop and all. Did I mention the Peavey has a great sounding Reverb as well. Playing the amp woke up a lot of good memories I had with the sound of this one.
     
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  6. JonnyD

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    Awesome! A bass amp is way different than any old guitar amp. You need that punch and bottom end and that’s hard to do with any old bass amp. Once you get that thump or tone you’re after add in the pedals.

    I found out pretty quick once I found the tone I was after a ditched the pedals. Just use my volume and tone on my bass to get what I’m after.
     
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  7. Dorian2

    Dorian2

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    I'm still not ruling out a Bass amp. But this certainly gives me more options and a different reference point than some people have at their disposal. I was like a kid in a candy store when some of the Peavey functionality came back to me. Pull bright on clean volume, pull thick on highs, and the full range of Bass, Middle, Treble and Presence really upped the tonal possibilities.
     
  8. High/Deaf

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    Some buddies used my Peavey Special 120 as a bass amp. It worked, up to the point where they cooked the speaker. That's the most fragile part of a guitar amp passing bass frequencies. The electronics won't notice the difference, it'll pass as much of the signal as it's filtering will allow. The speaker will try to reproduce those frequencies until it mechanically fails. So just watch for that.
     
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  9. Dorian2

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    Thanks. I read up on that a bit after the Peavey was mentioned by Frenchy, along with some other things. I'm not really pushing the speaker very hard here in my basement so I can't really see it as being an issue. If by the VERY off chance I hook up with a drummer or a band playing Bass, I'd more than likely add a Bass Cab or use a Bass amp.

    I wonder if there is a suggested max level for playing Bass through a guitar amp. Or is it just the frequencies I should worry about? It's an original Scorpion BTW, if that makes a diff.
     
  10. keto

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    It's pretty much about using your ears, and listening for the speaker to be distressed, so go up slowly. By the time you actually notice, it may be too late - espectially in a jam/mix situation.
     
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  11. GTmaker

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    all this bass talk deserves a bass rig...something like this would be a good start...
    By the way....any good bass rig ( bass and amp) should be worth more then the price of a good set of bass strings.
    G.
    https://guitarscanada.com/index.php...r-400rb-head-swr-golight-1x15-cabinet.246136/
     
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  12. jb welder

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    I was going to mention the same rig. :) At $400, I think that's a good deal. Lots of power, light, and portable.
     
  13. Dorian2

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    Spent an hour and a bit using the Bass through the Zoom and practicing Heaven and Hell. I used about 45% clean Bass and 55% of thea Hartke Amp setup on that pedal. It remains very passable as long as I don't do something stupid like going to L&M and checking a full rig and guitar there. I figure I'll squeeze as much out of this until the inevitable "trip to the store". What a curse we live with.
     
  14. JonnyD

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    That’s what I did this weekend. Picked up the cabinet Thursday from kijiji, then grabbed a Hartke LH500 head used from Mcquade. Hooked it up and the head didn’t work, no bass or mid controls. They just didn’t work. So I brought that head back and went with the trusty Traynor yba300, just because I know it’s the tone I was after. Way overkill but the for the songs I play it covers everything. A434D140-57ED-4BD7-8025-D5EA78F99C86.jpeg
     
  15. Dorian2

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    Any suggestions on single Passive pickup height with an Active EQ? For reference again, a single LTD SB-4. I looked it up on their manual and it said 3.5mm Bass side, 2.5mm treble side. This is what they are supposed to be coming out of factory spec. Going by this spec, the pup was WAY too close to the strings. I'm still dicking around with it but I thought I'd throw it out there for one of you guys to pitch in if possible.

    I also read that if it's an active pup it doesn't matter. Mine's passive but I'd like to know about active if others have something to say. LTD is pretty useless when it comes to tech specs and adjustments from what I've seen. I may not be looking in the right places though.
     
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