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A Bunch Of Pedals Or A Multi Effects Unit?

Discussion in 'Effects Pedals, Strings and more' started by Steadfastly, Apr 27, 2010.

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An Array Of Pedals Or A Good Multi-effects Unit? Which Do You Prefer?

  1. Multi-effects Unit

    17 vote(s)
    17.7%
  2. An Array Of Pedals.

    79 vote(s)
    82.3%
  1. Steadfastly

    Steadfastly

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    Perhaps now that we have the RP1000 it makes many of the arguments for not using an effects unit, mute.

    [video=youtube;u4fyJakwm9U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4fyJakwm9U[/video]
     
  2. PaulS

    PaulS

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    One of the basic problems I have with a modeller is using the volume on my guitar. It's not the same as a good amp and a good OD. When you turn down the volume most don't clean up the way an amp and OD do.
     
  3. fbmx

    fbmx

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    Maybe what we need is a modeller/loop switcher that has a few basic preset effects, some switchable loops and a special loop for pedal copying.

    Patch in your favorite phaser or whatever and select the right basic patch and then press a button and the modeller could pass a series of tones through your pedal and clone it.

    Imagine being able to clone all the rare or hard to replicate pedals on your board into a small switcher for live gigs.
     
  4. That's an interesting idea. You'd only be able to clone the pedal at static settings but this is technically feasible. The Kemper guys are doing something similar with their profiling amplifier.

    Everything else you're asking for sounds like the TC Electronic G-System. Even the loops. Just no profiling.

    That profiling is a cool idea.
     
  5. Morkolo

    Morkolo

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    I would have to say both as well, though I am loving the Boss GT-10 I picked up a month ago. The only downside to using a multi effects unit to it's full potential... having to read the manual.
     
  6. georgemg

    georgemg

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    I like the idea of an all-in-one pedalboard for convenience, but tried several and was never happy with all of the sounds - especially the overdrive/distortion sounds.

    One I recently saw that seemed interesting was the Benado pedal board. It covers every sound I would want but at $1,100 (a limited-time discount even!) I think I'll stick with my individual pedals for now.
     
  7. jimsz

    jimsz

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    I have a similar setup to BigDaddy. I use a Minstrel and FET dream for overdrive and the Nova system for everything else.

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  8. The Benado is a mistake imo. Paying top dollar for 1 brand of effects in 1 large housing completely misses the advantage of individual pedals, without the advantages of the multi. The only winner here is the maker who sells you 5 of their effects and only make 1 housing.

    I bet not too many players have only 1 brand of pedal on their board.
     
  9. mhammer

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    Indeed, that is precisely why virtually every attempt to produce a "modular" system has failed over the years. Korg tried it (https://www.flickr.com/photos/joybot/6850547393/ ), Sequential Circuits tried it ( https://electricmusicbox.com/profx/main.htm ), Vesta Fire tried it ( https://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/vestafire/modular ), MXR tried it ( https://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/mxr/modules ), and I'm sure there were others. They all tanked because the "system" consisted of only their modules, and neither the form-factor or anything else was compatible. None of the companies was ready to produce as broad an array of modules as, say, Boss or DOD makes in the way of pedals. So, if one could not use this overdrive with that compressor and that phaser, the magic and perceived convenience of modularity would soon wear off.

    People who know me, know that I made myself a modular system, but since it is all DIY, I could make the modules *I* wanted, not just use what was available. The perpetual expandability of the system makes it more convenient.

    I recently made use of a chassis I bought in 1990, and built a Dynacomp, Tube Screamer, and delay into it; kind of a mini Benado. Almost done. The delay is a rebote 2.5 with about 700ms total time, and a mod to make the repeats smoother. I included a "thru" power jack for running an adaptor in and a second cable out to another pedal. I'm also going to stick a send/receive loop between TS and delay so that other things can get patched in there, and so that it can support stereo.

    One of the things I find wanting in the Benado approach is that the sequence is fixed. You don't have to dig down very far in forums like this to see threads concerning what goes before what, and you don't have to dig very far withn those threads to see that most times anything can go before anything and yield something interesting, if not interesting for everybody. So when a multi-effect, whether digital or analog, commits me to a fixed order, I back away because it stifles my creativity.
     
  10. Despite being a multi-effects guy (I'm a very big user and fan of the Fractal Audio stuff) I agree very much with what you're saying.

    A guy from Vintage Revolution posted about the PedalPro system (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWW_2ywut4c) they're releasing in another forum, asked for feedback. He got pretty much the same thing: despite being modular, it's only modular when it comes to their modules. And their modules cost...a lot. The base system is over USD$2k if I'm remembering correctly.

    So, cool idea, but you're missing the point with analog effects developing something like this.

    We seem to be more forgiving when it's in the digital domain...
     
  11. That Pedalpro is just way off to me. To have foot-switches that are pressure sensitive with 3 different settings depending on how hard you step on them is setting yourself up for failure in front of an audience. When playing live the last thing I want worry about is pressing too hard or not hard enough.

    Then why all the technology? There are plenty of programmable selectors on the market for way less, so add your analog pedals of choice and a selector...all on the floor. No rack unit.
     
  12. Yes, you're not alone in thinking that. More than a few of us made similar comments about the footswitch when he asked for feedback. He didn't want to hear what we were saying though. You could certainly learn to use it, but it adds to the curve.
     
  13. mhammer

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    The Line 6 Tone Core pedals have dual pressure-level switches, though I imagine they employ a different mechanism. In terms of having a clean uncluttered interface, the multi-function pressure-sensitive switches certainly fill the bill. And while it may be wonderful when time is not of the essence, as Richard notes, the cognitive load imposed by having to pay attention to foot pressure, can be disruptive in a live context.
     
  14. Stevil

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    +1 I don't trust any single brand to do everything well.
    i think multifx are great to learn on. i went thru several figuring out what all the fx are & which ones i'd actually use. if your demands are met by a single box, then more power to ya. but for me & most people i've known who are hooked on pedals, we're looking for specific sounds & capabilities. a clean boost, dirt that does chug, a reverb with infinite decay, a fuzz that doesn't kill the bass tone. when you start to develop your own sound, these things tend to become more important & it usually requires some shopping around.
     
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  15. The_Penguin

    The_Penguin

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    There's a GT-8 in a local pawn shop for $140.00. It's calling my name.
    I keep looking at it.

    Must Resist
     

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